Teenage girls want relationships with older men, but we have to say no. Why?

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An anonymous individual named “hfghf” asked my opinion on this article: http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/27/teenage-girls-want-relationships-with-older-men-thats-why-its-their-responsibility-to-say-no-7032490/amp/

In it, the author admits teen girls like older men, but comes to near insane conclusions as to why and demands that men must say no (and continue to seek relationships with older females, I wonder why….nothing to do with her age being around the 30s….)

Anyway, first read the article and if you are so inclined, you can read DailyAntiFeminists response here: https://dailyantifeminist.wordpress.com/2018/01/22/puritanism-feminisms-inherently-infantilizing-worldview-exemplified-by-an-article-i-was-just-linked-to/

Here is my breakdown:

I might not like it, you might like it, and we might all wish that is wasn’t true, but the thing is, teenage girls do fancy older men. They do desire them.

They do indeed. In fact, females in general like older males. From preteens to adults. There are biological reasons for this. Girls mature faster, girls seek stability and power, etc. Females aren’t driven only by these factors, but they play a bigger role for females than for males. However, females must also be raised to differentiate between abusive asshole cockiness with actual confidence and “manliness”. Just like males need to differentiate between trashy cheater and attractive sexualness in females. We both have to embrace our natural instincts but be wary of them.

When we pretend that teenage girls don’t have a sexual identity, or that they don’t ever find older men attractive, we ignore the problem. When we ignore the problem, we allow it to flourish.

What is the problem? She never quite articulates it and it boils down to “I don’t like men going for younger girls because I lose power in the sexual marketplace”.

I attended an all girl Catholic boarding school where there was, as you can imagine, sweet FA in terms of male attention to be had. I had always assumed that man-drought was the reason that most of us developed a passionate crush on a teacher at some point in our school career.

But having spoken to women who were raised in slightly less bizarre circumstances, I’ve revised that assumption. It’s not just girls who go to school in the middle of nowhere with no boys to flirt with who form passionate romantic obsessions with male teachers.

It happens at every school, in every town, all over the world.

I am so far impressed by her willingness to see the truth and be honest about this. Sadly she will go and adjust this information to fit with her current world views. Refusing to take this information and adjust her world views, which is what she should have done.

Don’t we all have that friend who dated an ‘older’ guy when she was at school? I have more stories than I can count of sneaking out of school to meet up with men in their twenties and thirties so that we could drive around in his car drinking the alcohol he’d brought us and sneaking an illicit cigarette.

Here it comes, when I read this part I knew she was going to go into the whole “they aren’t really attracted to the man, they just like feeling like “adults”. I picked it up right away because this is a common argument. That being said, there is some truth to this, but I will expand further later.

When you’re a teenager it doesn’t take much to make you feel sophisticated. Drinking, smoking and the ability to drive feel like the trifecta of adulthood, and if you’ve got even two of the three, you’re impressive.

I knew it, she goes right into being logical to being irrational. Thing is, she doesn’t quite seem to either remember her desires or actually bother to ask teen girls their desires. I have relatives who are 10-14 and they are horny little nymphs. Talking about wanting to deepthroat, sharing pictures of shirtless attractive men (yes men) and photoshopping themselves with those men and saying things like “yummy” and “delicious”, and yes, being attracted to more powerful older men too (but note that those powerful men are still conventionally attractive).  Those relatives’ friends have expressed interest in me as well. Laying down subtle brags about their sexual prowess and experiences. Trying to convince me of their maturity. In fact, I believe my refusal to engage in sexual relations drives them even crazier. Which is ironic, because it does not alleviate their desires, only time does that. Still, being constantly blueballed is preferable to being anally reamed in prison.

Dating a teenager is a particularly intoxicating opportunity for men who struggle with women their own age. The benefit of being an older man is that you’re able to attract more conventionally attractive girls.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha *takes deep breath* ahahahahahahahahahaha

Here comes her modern feminist drivel to the extreme. “Men that go for younger girls can’t get older mature women (like me)!!!” Come off it babe. The reason men like me and men in general don’t want older women comes down to two main reasons:

  1. I am biologically attracted to preteens for the most part. Teens still retain much of that preteen attractiveness for me. They have a great combination of adult characteristics and preteen characteristics. Though I prefer preteen. Notice though that shaven women, with flawless skin and big eyes are desirable in our culture. Basically women that look like children with breasts and a buttocks. Basically teens. Teenage females are the most attractive females to most men. So men like me are just not that attracted to adult females for biological reasons and men in general are more attracted to the youthful vitality of teenage females.
  2. Many adult women these days are just insufferable. They live in a society that props them up as near gods and removes much of their responsibility when they are nasty or awful and excuse it as being ” an independent women”. To be fair, many men are intimidated by actual independent women, so the situation is swampy. This one I can’t just blame females for. Look at the author of this article. She is using the law and social manipulation to make men go for women like her. She is not going to change her personality because to her, nothing is wrong. Every man is wrong and those teen girls are wrong. Everyone but her. That attitude destroys any arousal I have for many adult females.

A younger woman will look up to you. She’ll listen to you. She’ll see you as wordly, she’ll see you as impressive. If you tell her she’s ‘mature’ for her age, she’ll believe you.

Rebecca I find it amusing you presume to know exactly why I am attracted to young females. No, it isn’t because she fawns for me as some kind of big daddy. It is because she is vibrant, she has the zest for life, she is fun loving, she wants to explore and play (sorry my pedophilia is leaking into my explanation) and she is not yet a god danged harpy. I also prefer perky breasts and a perky bottom. Youthful features that, again, relate back to my pedophilia but also express health and vitality.

Now don’t mistake me, I do not think that females should be giving birth in their teens, but they should have children by the late twenties at the latest. So let’s say I date a girl of 16, when I am in my early-mid thirties she will be early twenties and it would be perfect. She would have her degree and I would have a career already built and going. Stability, maturity and a backup plan. We would both be at the ages that the decline really begins.

Even a small age gap – mid teens to early twenties, still carries this kind of imbalance. The vast majority of men would never want to accidentally take advantage of a younger woman. When it happens it’s not motivated my malice or designed to be predatory. It’s because they don’t realise that they’re acting from a position of power.

Here it comes, the argument that “any power imbalance implies abuse”. First, females are attracted to power, so she is suddenly making the argument that females are attracted to abuse. Suddenly she is supporting my friend, DailyAntiFeminist’s, viewpoint that rape should be legal. If women are attracted to abuses of power then they would be attracted to the most ultimate abuses of power.

In my opinion however, being attracted to power is normal for both sexes and especially females. When it actually becomes abusive is when that power is wielded to obtain sex or whatever. Sorry Rebecca, but your argument is garbage. Power imbalances exist in every relationship and often constantly shift. For instance, in modern society, the underage teen female holds all the power. One mention of the relationship gets the male sent to prison and the teen endless amounts of attention. Teen females hold all the power, but people like you, Rebecca, want to convince them they are powerless. Modern feminism is about creating victims and making women weak. You are an insult to the real feminists who fought for property rights and responsibilities.

I draw a line in my head between the older men I fancied at a teenager who resolutely refused to engage with it, and those who indulged it or even courted it. There were teachers who let me embarrass myself with clumsy childish flirting but never encouraged me for a second. I feel intensely grateful to them now. I would have done literally anything that they wanted.

There were also people who weren’t so scrupulous. A boss who groped me whenever he could. Older men at parties who made comments about my body or came on to me. I remember them too. And I wish they’d known that I didn’t fancy them because they were interesting or attractive, but because they seemed powerful to me.

It sounds more like you specifically had daddy issues and you are projecting your daddy issues on all teen females that like older males. How you feel now is also not some logical conclusion, it is how you feel or rather, how you convinced yourself to feel. You have been overtaken by the cult of victimhood. Your sexual advances and adventures you now view as abuse. You have went from viewing yourself as an adventurer in the sexual realm to one abused by manipulative men. You inadvertently argue that females can’t be trusted to make their own decisions because they will regret it because they are weak minded. In fact, that is what this whole #metoo movement does. Look at these women who were with Franco or Aziz. They were grown women and they are making the arguments you make for teens. So Rebecca, when can women be trusted to make their own decisions? Never it seems. Well I refuse to believe that, which may be a fault of mine, but I refuse to believe females are incapable of being independent at any age. I see women as capable of power. I also feel the problem lies in how this culture raises females. In a near schizophrenic fashion. That’s a post for another day though.

They weren’t powerful. They were sad men who were dazzled by youngness and flattered by my attention. They didn’t pause to think about the fact that I would remember how they ran their hands over my body or asked me if I was ‘still a virgin’.

Blah blah blah. You know it made you wet as a young female but you have forced a victim status on yourself to fit your current mental schema. Now if these men did it without your want (you use terms like “grope” and make the men seem creepy and not romantic) then your argument really is null and void because it wouldn’t make sense, but I think you are using these words to further convince yourself when deep down you know you enjoyed it and know you had no problem with exploring your sexuality in such a way.

I just wish that for once the older man would brush her off and encourage her to go off and find someone a little closer to her age to explore with, at least until she reaches the status of a legal adult.

She defeats her own argument with this last line. Why Rebecca? What is the difference? Why can’t you explore with an older person or both a young person and maybe another time an older one? What is the science, show me the research, the logic. Especially for teen girls. This reeks of social brainwashing and nothing more.

24 thoughts on “Teenage girls want relationships with older men, but we have to say no. Why?

  1. Ex-police chief wants to train a “citizen’s army” against pedophiles

    Former police chief Jim Gamble said the law should be changed so only those with police permission or reasonable excuse could pose as an under-18 on the internet.

    Appearing before the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), he said the crude methods used by have-a-go detectives should be taught to a “citizen’s army” of volunteers under police guidance.

    […snap…]

    He continued: “We know from the vigilante experience that you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to carry out some of the low-level work that captures a lot of the low-hanging fruit.”

    “The police resist this and I don’t know why.

    “Begin thinking about better ways that we can build a citizen’s army that creates a much greater likelihood of someone talking to your 13-year-old daughter, actually talking to a 30-year-old volunteer digital detective.

    “I cannot, for the life of me, understand why that concept has not been embraced.”

    Full article:
    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/01/23/ex-police-chief-wants-masquerading-as-a-child-online-made-an-offence/

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  2. Seriously dude, you don’t deserve a place on this planet. Just go die and leave a space for someone who isn’t fucking worthless. You don’t deserve human companionship. Youre an entitled, spoiled little brat. You’re a piece of shit. You should have been an abortion. I feel sorry for your parents being stuck with a failure like you.

    She’s only 16! she’s just a kid.

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    1. Only 16… You can’t make this shit up. And this piece of trash calls you entitled hahaha. I mean seems to me she thinks she’s entitled to your adjusting your sexuality to her insanity. Hint- cunt… you’re not entitled to that.

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      1. You’d be better off just banning everybody who uses the word “entitlement”. It’s without exception a whacky SJW figure with nothing of any sense and substance to say.

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  3. I may have been in the wrong world for a long time, but I’ve never seen any person support people who have sex with children, nor I understand why we should do it.

    I doubt that being a man means being a pedophile and prey 14-years-old kids, they are still in their childhood, as a man I find it horrifying to even think about it. I’m not even attracted to women under 23 or 24, I like a mature woman who knows how to talk about something smart and have a stable relationship, not that she spend the day playing the xbox and talk about kid’s things.

    Which I think would be quite sensible a age of consent of 21, I do not think that a child under 21 is able to have a relationship, even with a peer, much less with a grown man, is demonstrated by psychology that brains do not develop until 23 or even 25, so they are unable to understand their long-term actions. There you see girls of only 18/19 in magazines like Playboy or Penthouse and then regretting to have done it, the worst are the men who are not even horrified by it. I personally denounce it.

    I’m not a pedophile and IMHO sex with a child of 16 is abuse and all civilized society thinks same and I’m glad that this is being taken seriously, I dislike that some old relatives tell me that before there were men who dating girls as young as 13 and nobody do anything to avoid it. Only muslim do that.

    I repeat, I am a grown man and I like grown women that is normal and natural, not underage children, if there are laws against sex with minors it’s just because it is understood that before 18 kids are vulnerable to perverts, nothing more.

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    1. “””I doubt that being a man means being a pedophile and prey 14-years-old kids”””

      Being a heterosexual human male means you will be attracted to girls that are going through and have finished puberty. So there will be 14 year old girls that most heterosexual men would find attractive. Very undeveloped ones that still look like preteens (which is rare) most men would likely not find attractive. This is biology.

      “””they are still in their childhood, as a man I find it horrifying to even think about it.”””

      They are not in childhood. Only socially and that is an incredibly recent phenomenon. Biologically they are of adult age. Also horrifying? All humans are sexual and most engage in sexual relations. Do teens and children just horrify you as a rule?

      “””I’m not even attracted to women under 23 or 24, I like a mature woman who knows how to talk about something smart and have a stable relationship, not that she spend the day playing the xbox and talk about kid’s things.”””

      This is just bigotry used to rationalize your rejection of parts of your attractions. Please note, just because a teen gives you a stiffy doesn’t mean you have to want to date them. Maybe you do prefer older females. Nothing wrong with that. Don’t lie though and say you are not attracted to teen females. Please also don’t pretend those in adolescence are incapable of intelligent discussion. It is dishonest and insulting.

      “””Which I think would be quite sensible a age of consent of 21, I do not think that a child under 21 is able to have a relationship, even with a peer, much less with a grown man”””

      Child under 21? People leave childhood when they hit puberty. That is a biological reality. Regardless, all humans are sexual and enjoy sexual pleasure. That is also a biological reality. There is nothing about sexual pleasure that is bad or harmful.

      “””is demonstrated by psychology that brains do not develop until 23 or even 25, so they are unable to understand their long-term actions”””

      This is what happens when pop-science articles are disseminated to an adult population that wants to convince themselves they are “special”. Ironically showing they are no different than the teens they insult. Teen decision making capabilities are not that much different than adults. Those research studies say nothing that changes that. Not to mention, if true, it is a result of the intentional stifling of the human frontal lobe in teens. I used this example, if you refuse to allow a human to use the language portion of their brain, it will develop more slowly. The brain requires use and time, but more importantly use to develop. Your ideas will further slow the growth of the frontal lobe. Read Robert Epstein’s “Teen 2.0”.

      “””There you see girls of only 18/19 in magazines like Playboy or Penthouse and then regretting to have done it, the worst are the men who are not even horrified by it. “””

      In reality, the regrets are rare and only vocal minorities cry about it to push an agenda. If regret develops, it is usually because of social attitudes, not any innate reason.

      “””I’m not a pedophile and IMHO sex with a child of 16 is abuse and all civilized society thinks same and I’m glad that this is being taken seriously”””

      Sex with 16 year old humans is legal in almost all of the world and in much of the world sex with 14 year old humans is legal. Ages of consent above 16 are statistically rare. So I don’t know what world you are living in.

      “””I dislike that some old relatives tell me that before there were men who dating girls as young as 13 and nobody do anything to avoid it. Only muslim do that.”””

      All humans of all kinds did not care about young females being in relationships with older men. As long as it was acceptable in the rules of their specific culture. Age itself being an issue is a recent phenomenon based on puritan values (that started as “losing virginity is bad”) as well as a power grab. The more that is illegal the more criminals there are. Not to mention the longer you infantilize humans the longer you can control them.

      “””I repeat, I am a grown man and I like grown women that is normal and natural, not underage children”””

      You are a liar. Sure you are likely attracted to grown women but a bangin teen will get you off as well. Stop lying.

      Anyway, I will thank you for the mostly civil response, too bad it had absolutely no substance whatsoever.

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  4. Sorry but pedophilia is not OK. When I was 17 an older guy (from church camp) grabbed my private area and was continuing to pull down my pants until someone opened the door in the dorms. I was so confused and didn’t know anything about sex at that time. I’m still scarred.

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    1. First, pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent humans. At 17 you were a biological adult. Second, being groped without your consent is wrong. Not the worst thing ever but still wrong. Third, if you were 17 and knew nothing about sex then what was harmful was you clearly sheltered upbringing that was likely neglectful.

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      1. You’re responding to a troll. This idiot posted the same thing word for word on Eivind’s blog so I will just c/p my reply to them there

        A woman, your cartoonishly bad “arguments”/story would in saner times be useful for mocking and nothing else but since today there are many simpletons who would take your insanity seriously let’s examine what you say…

        How does your story relate to pedophilia at all? You were 17, and legal in most parts of the world. If you believe it relates to pedophilia, why describe his act at all? Wouldn’t any act with a woman of that age be a crime then? I mean, I’m just going by your insanity. And if you didn’t know anything about sex at the time and this made you confused how is at least that part a fault of the guy? Believe me, most 17 year-old girls know about sex all to well. My girlfriend had been 17 when I took her virginity (I later found out she was lying about being 18 at the time). There are some 17 year-old girls in my life I used to know who had more than 50 partners. One girl I knew slept with over 50 men and at least 2 other girls at the age of 16.

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      2. I only reply for observers. Also, even if OP is a troll, it is a common tactic for older women to claim their teen adventures were actually abuse. They will then play coy and act as if they were innocent cherubs (which then assumes sex is bad, so much for sex positivity) and were taken advantage of.

        I have a relative who, now that she wants to get married, pretends her teen sexual adventures were abusive and bad and she really didn’t want to do it. I would say “who do you think you are kidding?” but sadly everyone but me believes her. She then jokes about it with me that she is just trying to look good!

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    2. Well that sounds like someone failed in parenting and thus a human being was deprived of sexual knowledge. And at 17?! THAT should be child abuse.

      At SEVENTEEN.

      Pedophilia is ok. Not teaching your children about sex is NOT OKAY.

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  5. Derek, what the fuck are you talking about?

    “I doubt that being a man means being a pedophile and prey 14-years-old kids”

    Do you know how this sounds to a sane person? It’s like saying I doubt being a man includes drinking water… Yes, it does, dude. And so does being attracted to girls over 11 years old. It’s just how male sexuality works. If yours doesn’t you’re fucked in the head and much more likely lying to make yourself feel better.

    “I’m not even attracted to women under 23 or 24, I like a mature woman who knows how to talk about something smart and have a stable relationship, not that she spend the day playing the xbox and talk about kid’s things.”

    Hahahaaha, holy shit. And women who are above 24 are somehow mature? Some of the least mature women I went out with were 30+. The least mature was 35. Women don’t tend to mature after the age of 18. Schopenhauer said this best.

    “Which I think would be quite sensible a age of consent of 21”

    Stopped reading here. You’re fucked in your damn head or trolling. I hope it’s the latter for the sake of anybody interacting with you.

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  6. Anyway, now that I am approved I would like to tell you something very important, Americanrifleman. Pay attention to what I wrote here

    https://caamib.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/in-defense-of-maria-ladenburgers-fate/

    “…liberals erroneously believe a certain incorrect picture of the history of the world (I was gonna write more on this when I do an article on liberals in general but am having trouble finishing it) which goes something like this – “Around 1500 AD the whole non-European world was free, happy, sane, prosperous and probably even liberal when these evil Europeans enslaved everybody. They’re the ones who caught blacks and brought them to Europe and America, they’re the ones who destroyed massive Indian populations and they should be punished as the scum they are for the rest of their existence.”

    Now, as for more on the intellectual origins, I really don’t know. I’d check Roosh’s writings on Frankfurt school but you should take everything on such issues (from everybody, the problem is not Roosh himself) with a grain of salt. Intellectual history can be extremely complicated and by now it is quite irrelevant anyway.

    The point that is relevant to this post is that liberals know nothing about things like Arab slave trade and its extremely high rates of mutilation and mortality, have no idea that Arab pirates captured European slaves up to 18th century, that most of North America in 1500 AD was huge patches of empty land, and, most importantly, can’t understand the idea that not a single acre of the world was liberal in 1500 AD and that these European “conquerors” were the first to become liberal.and spread this disease to some parts of the remaining world (basically just North America, Australia and some parts of South America), with huge areas of the world never ever becoming liberal. Amazingly, these areas that never became liberal are some that liberals tend to think about most fondly, at least in their writings. Of course, actually living there is usually a different story though, luckily, having strong convictions about this got a few of the more convinced liberals killed.

    In the lieu of these misconceptions, liberals have no real problems with classes they see as underprivileged killing the privileged ones. What they do have a problem with is the underprivileged classes still being presented in what might be a bad light to some people. Now, if everybody became liberal tomorrow there wouldn’t be this problem and liberals could freely express what they really feel. But since the cultural mores change so slowly, and in some instances can be even set back (think of the strong backslash against feminism and liberalism in the recent years) liberals still need to maintain appearances.”

    As you can see, people who post nasty stuff at you here aren’t actually worried about age of consent or rape. No, no. That’s the first misconception you need to rid yourself of. They are interested in monopolizing having sex with even the tiniest babies and rape of women of all ages to certain groups. They don’t mind blacks, Hispanics or Muslims doing whatever they want to whomever they want, even their own closest relatives. I call these The Sacred classes. These are the type of people liberals feel are not privileged and whites owe them stuff (which is wrong, as explained above). Mothers, sisters, daughters (if they’re male it’s unlikely they have any since women don’t tend to breed with Western scum) are all free to be taken. They will be the first to give them. to these groups A sacred cool peel a female toddler for days, and a liberal will cry next to them – cry tears of joy due to exoticism and power of this, for the oppressed are empowering themselves this way !

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    1. You make great points. It is very true that liberals in western nations make assumptions that white europeans are the cause of all the ills in the world. The arab slave trade is somehow completely forgotten even though the arab slave trade was vastly worse than the trans-atlantic.

      Then there is the myth of the peaceful native americans. I am not saying their constant warring with one another meant they deserved the unintentional death of their peoples, but they were far from all peaceful and loving, like with most humans, some were and some weren’t. It is also a misconception to think white europeans wiped out the native americans on purpose. Most of it was accidental spread of disease.

      Now the modern issue is “oh the poor hispanics the evil republicans want to kick out” but the white people of america, who pay the majority of taxes, are the reason those hispanics come here and live thanks to ridiculous social welfare programs. Of course there is the issue of the drug war that liberals seem to not care about. Oh they care about weed, but that is just so they can get high.

      I agree, these people don’t really care about the age of consent. They may think they do, but they want to monopolize sex, shrink the market to gain control. Research shows that the more sexually open a culture the more at peace people seem to be, which means more difficult to manipulate.

      Lastly, you are absolutely correct. Liberals are quick to excuse the horrid actions of their sacred classes. Which in turn causes more problems in the cultures of those people. I always thought it funny when white western women wore Burkas as some kind of feminist empowerment yet in actual Muslim countries women can be fined, jailed or even killed for refusing to wear it.

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  7. Something tells me that the trolls who tell us that “attraction to 14-year-olds is abnormal” are themselves attracted to 14-year-olds. They just can’t come to terms with their own sexuality, so they flip around. It’s their forebrain telling their hindbrain “you are bad,” and they take out this inner mental conflict of theirs on us.

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    1. Well, as I believe I told you once before, it is best to steer clear of trying to get inside somebody’s head. These idiots will be the ones who will say something similar to you – that your hindbrain knows you are wrong and a monster and that your forebrain opposes it so you post about it a lot. Now, them saying something like this doesn’t mean you’re wrong about their psychology but the point is you can’t know. My hunch (and it is nothing more than that) is that there are those who have the problem you’re describing and there are also those who don’t. There are people out there that genuinely don’t think about having sex with 14 year-olds ever and would never be attracted to one and who hate those who are. Of course all of this is also a sickness. If your ideas are something that would prevent you from having sex with a girl that age you are, in evolutionary terms, maladjusted.

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    2. Oh I definitely agree. I’ve seen more than a few grown men and women admit when they are drunk or high how hot young people can be. Then when they sober up it is back to their aggressive hatred of such attractions (aka hatred of their hindbrain). Drugs have a way of revealing what the hindbrain truly thinks.

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      1. Yep, I completely concur. And outside the ordinary Western World, you don’t even need to get people drunk to make them admit that they are sexually attracted to “mimors.” The moral panic about this issue is unique to Western society and practically non-existent outside of it.

        That goes to show, not that Westerners are “wired differently,” but that there’s simply a lot of hypocrisy and fakery in the West.

        There is also the issue of conformism: because Puritan-Feminism is the dominant worldview in the West, people need to have their social inhibitions relaxed by alcohol to be able to overcome potential peer antagonism and admit to what they really feel. Alcohol basically neutralizes their forebrain (which is responsible for social behavior) enough for the truth of the hindbrain to come out. It’s like living under Communism and opening up about Stalin being a douchebag only after ingesting a few glasses of vodka.

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